From: mangosteen	Date: January 1st, 2010 12:04 am (UTC)		(Link)

Can you walk me through the connection between those two statements?
I view them as all but orthogonal.

	From: mauser	Date: January 1st, 2010 10:22 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Yeah, the original source didn't really demonstrate the connection he asserted. I see it as opposite, the first being state-centered, and the second as being selfishly personally centered.

But I can definitely agree that the second kind of thinking is part of the cause of the mess we're in.