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Mark Atwood
It looks like LJ/6A is screwing up, again.
It looks like LJ/6A is screwing up, again.

And then they are screwing up against by trying to ignore it, while their employees ridicule and insult their users.

How long before their blow-dried CEO posts another "we screwed up" message to news? But thinks that the only screwup was being slow to talk, instead of having actually screwed up, or of saying how they are going to avoid repeating the screwup in the future.

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intrepid_reason From: intrepid_reason Date: August 8th, 2007 12:27 am (UTC) (Link)
grrr, I wish I weren't such an LJ junkie, I might cancel my account.
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: August 8th, 2007 01:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually, I don't have an issue with LJ killing the accounts. They posted sexually graphic images of apparently underage characters. LJ made it clear in the past that they didn't support that kind of content, and it is their playground to police. I'm not shocked or upset by the deletions.

The only screw up was not getting out in front of the issue immediately, or at least as soon as it flared up. "We deleted the accounts for these reasons: X, Y, and Z. End of story, we will not reverse the decision. The door is over there if you don't like it."

I do think their only screw up was being slow to talk - deleting the accounts is perfectly fine under the rules of the service, like it or not.

And I'm a fanfic author and a porn lover. ;-)
jatg From: jatg Date: August 8th, 2007 02:34 am (UTC) (Link)
I can't believe *I'm* the one pointing this out, because, frankly, EW...but child porn requires actual children. And what's to stop the artist from saying, "The person in this picture I drew was on their 18th birthday so it's okay."

zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: August 8th, 2007 02:49 am (UTC) (Link)
The courts have swung back and forth on this. Right now, unless I missed another swing, depictions of underage sex that is created not using real children is technically legal, but a few years back people were being prosecuted for that. I remember it was an issue in the anime industry with some hentai - some releases during that period were edited to remove anything that looked underage. Then some case was decided the other way and some of those titles were re-released un-edited. But now there is a push to legislate it as illegal again, especially with computer manipulation making it hard to determine if a photograph is truly of an underage performer or an adult manipulated to look younger, or even if an image is real or rendered.

During this spat I've seen some comments from people citing different sections of the federal statutes, some arguing that under one provision any depiction of underage sex is illegal, while under another provision it would be only real children.

But LJ's usage policy also has a clause that allows them to ban accounts that post content they feel is harmful to minors or contributes to the harm of minors, even if it is not technically illegal.

And yeah, it gets messy quick. I watch anime, including hentai, and some if it has characters who are *clearly* about 15-16, but the importer will reword it to put them in 'junior college' and make them 18. Right - they're high school students and they're not fooling anyone - well, OK, I'm sure it fools a lot of people. :-)

That doesn't bother me - but a porn with real 15 year old kids? That would very likely squick me. To continue the train of thought - I've also seen hentai which had VERY underage characters, and that DID squick me something fierce.

In 'real life' I don't think there is a problem with 15-16 year olds having sex, hell, I wish I was when I was 15-16. But there is a difference between a 16 year old and an 18 year old hooking up, and a 16 year old and a 36 year old. But I'm sure others would disagree, and codifying any of that into law would be nigh-impossible. So we have the brain-dead age of consent laws that we deal with today.

(As a 36 year old man I admit finding 18 year old co-eds attractive - but my second impulse is to feel like a Dirty Old Man. Quickly followed by remembering how much drama dating 18-21 year olds was at the time, and that makes me happy to not be dating them anymore. ;-) )
mauser From: mauser Date: August 8th, 2007 04:30 am (UTC) (Link)
and 16-year olds with multi-tentacled centuries old elder gods is RIGHT out....
zonereyrie From: zonereyrie Date: August 8th, 2007 04:31 am (UTC) (Link)
Unless they truly love each other.
docorion From: docorion Date: August 8th, 2007 05:36 am (UTC) (Link)
I agree they can kill the accounts if they want. Problem is that, in order for people to perceive that there's any sort of justification to it, they have to be public early and often, and they ought to preserve some of the reasons they did what they did.

It's a bit like 'justice'; in order for a justice system to work (IMO), justice must be *done*, it must be *seen* to be done, and the process of justice needs to be transparent and recorded. This is part of the reason for jury trials, especially back in the day-in a small community one was likely to know someone on the jury, who could say "Yep, s/he did it". If they don't, there will continue to be wailing and gnashing of teeth. The lack of transparency bothers me quite a bit.
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