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Mark Atwood
Depressive Crash
I don't think I've eaten any peanuts...

Current Location: Home, Capitol Hill, Seattle WA
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wyckhurst From: wyckhurst Date: August 6th, 2007 03:16 am (UTC) (Link)
Any other phenols?
fallenpegasus From: fallenpegasus Date: August 6th, 2007 04:38 am (UTC) (Link)
wyckhurst From: wyckhurst Date: August 6th, 2007 01:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Phenols - Phenols are chemicals found in foods that some people have problems processing and end up with symptoms including dark circles under the eyes, red face/ears, diarrhea, hyperactivity, aggression, headache, head banging or other self-injury, inappropriate laughter, difficulty falling asleep at night, and night waking for several hours. The condition is called PST deficiency (see below). Foods like tomatoes, bananas, red grapes, milk, peanuts and food dyes contain higher phenol levels than other foods.

Salicylates - Salicylates are a type of Phenol. Phenols are chemicals which all living things and foods contain. Food containing high phenol levels uses up more than the usual amounts of the 'free sulphate' which is held in the gut. In Autistic people, the level of 'free sulphate' in the body is already much lower than in others so eating foods with a high phenolic content leaves even less available for other digestive requirements and for lining the gut walls. There is simply not enough 'free sulphate' available. Not all foods with a high phenol level also are high in salicylates as not all phenols are salicylates. Foods with a high salicylate level typically contain tomatoes, dried fruits, berry fruits, tea, olives, grapes, almonds, liquorice, peppermint, honey, Worcester sauce, citrus fruits, berries and currants, with pears being one of the more 'safe' options. Foods full of phenols but not salicylates include banana and chocolate. Whether a low salicylate and/or a low phenol diet is followed, is often a case of trial and error to see which products produce a troublesome reaction.

I'm sure your google-fu will find more scientific and in-depth discussions on the topic but that's an overview. :-)

wyckhurst From: wyckhurst Date: August 6th, 2007 01:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
p.s. We're starting Sam on No Phenol enzymes by Houston Nutraceuticals as soon as they arrive. The great thing is that he's old enough to understand what we're doing. The last thing we did, add the Zyme Prime to the Peptizide enzymes in his routine, he was in on the experiment and reported back. He's sold and is excited to try the No Phenol too.
fallenpegasus From: fallenpegasus Date: August 7th, 2007 09:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
How much do all these enzymes cost? Is it something I can just start using as a nutritional suppliment, or are there bad side effects such that I have to carefully figure out which ones to take and which to avoid?
wyckhurst From: wyckhurst Date: August 7th, 2007 10:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
They're like $20 a bottle. It's well worth it for the effects.

I think you might want to gradually start using them in case you have dieoff or withdrawal symptoms, but it's not like a prescription drug where you're taking your life in your own hands if you don't slowly ramp up. I think the site has a FAQ, let me dig it up:

I would be very interested to hear an adult's perspective on taking these. I have taken them but I'm NT so idk... I can't compare. And it might be helpful to ask those around you if they notice a difference.

You could start with the pep and then add the zyme prime and then the no phenol. Or do them all at once and just see.
wyckhurst From: wyckhurst Date: August 7th, 2007 10:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
And there are no real bad side effects, so it's not like, "if you are x then take this but if you are y absolutely do not take these or you will die with green foam frothing out of your mouth." haha
wyckhurst From: wyckhurst Date: August 7th, 2007 10:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
And...apparently I am internet-arded. Here's the link:


And now I will stop spamming you.
amythis From: amythis Date: August 6th, 2007 03:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh gosh, hugs!
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