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Mark Atwood
fallenpegasus
fallenpegasus
Pitch for Jabber
BEGIN PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

Due to Yahoo Messenger being an asshat, I've gotten a Jabber account, fallenpegasus@jabber.org. MSN and AIM are not any better, they can and do change the protocol on a whim. They all also can (or will, depending) forcefeed you advertising, and all of your IMs flow thru their servers, where marketing people are salivating all over it. Would you trust Microsoft to store all your Word docs and Excel sheets? Why are you trusting Yahoo, Microsoft, and AOL with your IMs? Switch to Jabber.

END PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
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docorion From: docorion Date: June 25th, 2004 03:58 am (UTC) (Link)
OK, clearly I am spacing out somewhere, but I do not see where to sign up for an account on jabber.org anywhere on the web page, and I think I've surfed to everywhere that looks promising. Help, pointer, please?
fallenpegasus From: fallenpegasus Date: June 25th, 2004 09:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
You chose, download, and install a Jabber IM client. (One of the best clients for Windows, IMO, is "Trillian", because it's "multiprotocol", you can keep all your AOL, ICQ, YM, MSN, and Jabber IM'ing in one program in one place.) Trillian is not freeware, but it's not expensive and it's a rightious company.

Once you have a Jabber client, register for a Jabber account.
From: ex_cerebrate131 Date: June 25th, 2004 09:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Unless I'm missing something, doesn't this just replace the problem of trusting the Microsoft/AOL/Yahoo people with the problem of trusting whoever's running the Jabber servers you and $RECIPIENT are using?

In which case, PGP is your friend. But if PGP is my friend anyway, I don't need to persuade everyone I know to change IM clients...
fallenpegasus From: fallenpegasus Date: June 25th, 2004 09:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, what you do is first persuade them to change clients without changing services. Gaim, Trillian, or Fire. For `nix, `doze, and Mac, respectively. Other than the "value added" services that the "native clients" provide (like pushing ads on the user), they are better clients than the native clients.

Once you get them used to that, then persuade them to move to jabber, and they don't have to change clients.


And yes, you have to trust the jabber server operator, just like you have to trust the SMTP server operator. But those operators are not AOL or Microsoft, which is a big plugs to begin with. And most jabber server implementations do TLS transparently, and more and more jabber clients do transparent end-to-end client-to-client encryption.
From: ex_cerebrate131 Date: June 28th, 2004 05:52 am (UTC) (Link)
And yes, you have to trust the jabber server operator, just like you have to trust the SMTP server operator. But those operators are not AOL or Microsoft, which is a big plugs to begin with.

I'm not sure that would necessarily follow, at least for me.

And most jabber server implementations do TLS transparently, and more and more jabber clients do transparent end-to-end client-to-client encryption.

Now this would be the thing I'm missing.
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